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Robert Sapolsky on Free Will

11/3/2023

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Do you think that, of your own free will, you chose to become a Quaker? If so, you’re wrong. Your becoming a Friend was pre-determined long before you even knew that Quakers existed. At least, that’s the argument of Robert Sapolsky, distinguished professor of neurological studies at Stanford University. Here’s a quote from Chapter One of Sapolsky’s latest book, Determined:
         
Once you work with the notion that every aspect of behavior has deterministic, prior causes, you observe a behavior and can answer why it occurred; as just noted, because of the action of neurons in this or that part of your brain in the preceding second. And in the seconds to minutes before, those neurons were activated by a thought, a memory, an emotion, or sensory stimuli. And in the hours to days before that behavior occurred, the hormones in your circulation shaped those thoughts, memories, and emotions and altered how sensitive your brain was to particular environmental stimuli. And in the preceding months to years, experience and environment changed how those neurons function, causing some to sprout new connections and become more excitable, and causing the opposite in others.

         
~ submitted by Richard Russell
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Don Lathrop
11/9/2023 09:31:02 pm

Hi Richard,

Very interesting. I wonder how that applies to me. My genetic father ran away on my mother and I believe she very soon gave me up for adoption; My parents, who raised me, were outstanding.

Whose will dominates my past?

Peace,
Don

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Richard Russell
11/10/2023 02:14:10 am

Hi, Don.

Probably the environment given you by your adoptive parents was key. After all, it's environment that activates genes or maintains them dormant.

Richard

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Dr. Joseph Olejak link
11/10/2023 07:57:47 am

I have read Robert Sapolsky and respect his work --- however --- I utterly reject the notion of a purely materialistic determinism when it comes to either the human psyche or human spirituality.

If thinking, feeling and willing are are predetermined then humans are merely robots carryout out a set of predetermined instructions.

What his means is that there can be no spontaneous arising of creativity, new ideas, new impulses, or hundreds of other thoughts/ actions.

WHY?

Predetermined instructions, de novo, don't allow for new actions because by definition they are constrained by the past.

Apart of the past (genes, in utero experiences, etc) there is the question of an extra corporeal part of us. Are we just biological machines or are there spiritual parts of us connected to something greater that we can connect to?

We, as Quakers, believe that "other part" exists. We don't name it. We don't fully understand it. We connect through it periodically with some connections fuller and deeper than others.

I am certain all of us have been surprised by the spiritual part of us making itself known. And that part could not be recognized as an extrapolation of the past.



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Richard S Russell
11/14/2023 12:19:05 pm

Hi, Joseph.

I believe that Sapolsky's scheme does allow for creativity although some individuals, gifted by their genes and environment, are capable of much greater creativity than others.

As to your main point, I agree although the idea of a spiritual dimension in human beings leads us back to the dualism of Descartes. The existence of that spiritual dimension is essential to any kind of traditional Quakerism, and I'm not ready to give up the spirituality preached by George Fox and Isaac Penington.

In short, your ideas are well-expressed and in tune with Quakerism as I understand it. For myself, I continue to experience the tension between Sapolsky's materialism and traditional Christianity/Quakerism. I wish I didn't experience that tension and that I had your unadulterated faith in the Mystery we sometimes call God.

Richard

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